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Sérgio Agostinho
Hey, 

I'm trying to probe this idea of trying to organize a biannual weekend, gathering everyone "around the table" to discuss current state of affairs, future directions and dig into code sprints. This works pretty well with the GStreamer community and I thought it might be interesting to try it here as well. 

I'm also aware that I know we used to have the participation in the GSOC and a bunch of code sprints here and there but that seems to be stalled for the time being. Probably a topic that should also be discussed. 

Cheers, 
Sérgio

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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

Jochen Sprickerhof
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Hi Sérgio,

* Sérgio Agostinho <[hidden email]> [2016-02-03 11:36]:
> I'm trying to probe this idea of trying to organize a biannual weekend,
> gathering everyone "around the table" to discuss current state of affairs,
> future directions and dig into code sprints. This works pretty well with
> the GStreamer community and I thought it might be interesting to try it
> here as well.

That sounds like a nice idea. Do you mean a real table, or rather a
virtual?

I would have to topics to discuss:
- Getting 1.8 released.
- Updating the website.

Cheers Jochen

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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

Dirk Holz
I like the idea a lot.

In addition to the two points raised by Jochen, I think another would be discussing strategies and procedures for driving future changes. In the past, it very often happened that lots of new things were added, then abandoned again, then re-implemented. In addition to better "manage" additions in the form of individual contributions, we may also think about joint efforts for focusing on a certain component, like forming some task force working on a long-term goal like getting completely new things in there.

Different timezones make it somewhat complicated though but in other projects times around 2-4pm UCT have been found to work just fine, in the worst case you have to get up early or stay up later/go out later.

Best,
Dirk  

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> Hi Sérgio,
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> * Sérgio Agostinho <[hidden email]> [2016-02-03 11:36]:
>> I'm trying to probe this idea of trying to organize a biannual weekend,
>> gathering everyone "around the table" to discuss current state of affairs,
>> future directions and dig into code sprints. This works pretty well with
>> the GStreamer community and I thought it might be interesting to try it
>> here as well.
>
> That sounds like a nice idea. Do you mean a real table, or rather a
> virtual?
>
> I would have to topics to discuss:
> - Getting 1.8 released.
> - Updating the website.
>
> Cheers Jochen
>
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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

Sérgio Agostinho
Hey 

So my original suggestion was on a presencial gathering. There's a host who arranges for the venue and sponsorships (food and drinks ^^) and gathers all relevant information for the to help participants travel there and get accommodations.

Goes without saying, I'm proposing this and volunteering to organize the first attempt. Just for reference, here's how GStreamer organizes the thing:

Nevertheless I'm open to trying both formats presencial and remote. That way we can probably target one hackfest per season. 

In terms of topics to be addressed:
- 1.8.0 release
- release strategy
- supporting multiplatform CI
- rebooting GSOC, code sprints, jobs page (?)

Cheers,
Sérgio


2016-02-04 9:34 GMT+01:00 Dirk Holz <[hidden email]>:
I like the idea a lot.

In addition to the two points raised by Jochen, I think another would be discussing strategies and procedures for driving future changes. In the past, it very often happened that lots of new things were added, then abandoned again, then re-implemented. In addition to better "manage" additions in the form of individual contributions, we may also think about joint efforts for focusing on a certain component, like forming some task force working on a long-term goal like getting completely new things in there.

Different timezones make it somewhat complicated though but in other projects times around 2-4pm UCT have been found to work just fine, in the worst case you have to get up early or stay up later/go out later.

Best,
Dirk

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> Hi Sérgio,
>
> * Sérgio Agostinho <[hidden email]> [2016-02-03 11:36]:
>> I'm trying to probe this idea of trying to organize a biannual weekend,
>> gathering everyone "around the table" to discuss current state of affairs,
>> future directions and dig into code sprints. This works pretty well with
>> the GStreamer community and I thought it might be interesting to try it
>> here as well.
>
> That sounds like a nice idea. Do you mean a real table, or rather a
> virtual?
>
> I would have to topics to discuss:
> - Getting 1.8 released.
> - Updating the website.
>
> Cheers Jochen
>
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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

Jochen Sprickerhof
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Hi Sérgio,

would be great if you could host it. Would that be in the Netherlands? I
should be able to come. Who else?

Cheers Jochen

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raph

Hello,

Good idea.
I could join in the Netherlands or nearby.

Cheers
Raph

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would be great if you could host it. Would that be in the Netherlands? I
should be able to come. Who else?

Cheers Jochen

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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

Sérgio Agostinho
Hey, 

Unfortunately it won't be in the Netherlands. I will be moving to Lisbon, Portugal in the immediate months so I was thinking of setting up the thing at 

I hope the location is not a show stopper, because I feel it would be important to have you (Jochen), Sergey and Victor on board.

Nevertheless, regardless of me being in Lisbon, it would still be a challenge to try to set up things here in the Netherlands. The place I'm working now, has some tight access control. It would be really challenging to get the permission to host such an event on the premises just by itself, even more to try and do it when not working there anymore. :) 

Cheers


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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

Aurel W.
I just wanted to express my support to this. Though pcl has lost a lot
of momentum and is not in good shape concerning it's architecture and
interface design, I myself and others heavily really on a well
maintained and sustainable future of pcl. I am involved in a couple of
projects which would basically stall without any further development
of pcl and there is just no other alternative.

I have noticed some commercial projects which don't want to build upon
pcl at the moment (understandably) and go back to the pre-pcl way of
doing things, writing a lot of stuff from scratch. Then there is the
aspect of vendor specific SDKs like Intel's Realsense or Google's
Tango, which have a total different objective.

I fear if we don't have a solid framework with at least a similar
concept and functionality as pcl, it will result in a big setback for
3D computer vision altogether. Though (imho) pcl is not in good shape,
any open-source alternative would be an enormous effort. Getting pcl
development back on track and the framework into better shape may be
the best choice at the moment.

Sending positive signs out to the community, getting a 1.8 release
done and showing some progression is a very good first step!

Aurel

On 5 February 2016 at 11:23, Sérgio Agostinho
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> Hey,
>
> Unfortunately it won't be in the Netherlands. I will be moving to Lisbon,
> Portugal in the immediate months so I was thinking of setting up the thing
> at
> https://tecnico.ulisboa.pt/en/about-IST/location/
>
> I hope the location is not a show stopper, because I feel it would be
> important to have you (Jochen), Sergey and Victor on board.
>
> Nevertheless, regardless of me being in Lisbon, it would still be a
> challenge to try to set up things here in the Netherlands. The place I'm
> working now, has some tight access control. It would be really challenging
> to get the permission to host such an event on the premises just by itself,
> even more to try and do it when not working there anymore. :)
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

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* Sérgio Agostinho <[hidden email]> [2016-02-05 11:23]:
> Unfortunately it won't be in the Netherlands. I will be moving to Lisbon,
> Portugal in the immediate months so I was thinking of setting up the thing
> at
> https://tecnico.ulisboa.pt/en/about-IST/location/

Sounds like a good location for vocation as well, so count me in :).

> I hope the location is not a show stopper, because I feel it would be
> important to have you (Jochen), Sergey and Victor on board.

Good point, Sergey, Victor: what do you think?

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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

nizar sallem-3
Sounds good to me too,

Would be happy to join.
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* Sérgio Agostinho <[hidden email]> [2016-02-05 11:23]:
> Unfortunately it won't be in the Netherlands. I will be moving to Lisbon,
> Portugal in the immediate months so I was thinking of setting up the thing
> at
> https://tecnico.ulisboa.pt/en/about-IST/location/

Sounds like a good location for vocation as well, so count me in :).

> I hope the location is not a show stopper, because I feel it would be
> important to have you (Jochen), Sergey and Victor on board.

Good point, Sergey, Victor: what do you think?

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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

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Hi guys,
I personally think a meet up would be a very useful idea at this time, so please count me in. If Lisboa is too far, an alternative could also be Munich. In any case, I'd suggest to have a remote conferencing system so that people that cannot join physically can still follow the discussions remotely.

Btw, I fully agree with what Aurel wrote: if PCL is not solid, then we'd jump back to the old chaotic days when several small alternatives for 3D perception existed, each based on its own standards, representations and application scopes.

Since it is a "hackfest", I would also spend some take to look at the state of the various modules and write down a todo list of the main current limitations, bugs and possible improvements (e.g., new algorithm implementations) for each module.  

Cheers,
Fede
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VictorL
Hello,

Excellent idea, PCL needs to show to the outer world it's far from being dead! (because some people think it is)

Might seem like a dumb question but who is in charge of PCL right now?
Radu has been for a long time, but now he seems to have other interests.

I think we need a small group of people deciding what are the priorities for PCL; manage projects around it (GSOC, code sprints..) and make some communication around projects built upon PCL (this lacks a lot).

100% in for a meeting; not 100% sure I will be able to attend physically (because of the cost/time).

I think this would be nice to put the ROS people (which I'm part of now) in the loop in some way; one of the meeting could be synced with a ROS event. They really have a word to say in what PCL should be in the future.

Bye
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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

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Hi guys,


It’s great to see some fresh enthusiasm from the community! Absolutely count me in for the hackathon(s) too.

I agree this would be a great opportunity to sit down together and evaluate some strategies to put new energy into the development of the library.
Also, like Victor mentioned, we should rebuild a recognised team of core developers that will guide the future endeavours.

I think it would be ideal if people that are interested would jump in on this thread. And then we could have longer discussion on the side without spamming the whole list.


Cheers,
Alex


> On 09 Feb 2016, at 20:39, fedassa <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
> I personally think a meet up would be a very useful idea at this time, so
> please count me in. If Lisboa is too far, an alternative could also be
> Munich. In any case, I'd suggest to have a remote conferencing system so
> that people that cannot join physically can still follow the discussions
> remotely.
>
> Btw, I fully agree with what Aurel wrote: if PCL is not solid, then we'd
> jump back to the old chaotic days when several small alternatives for 3D
> perception existed, each based on its own standards, representations and
> application scopes.
>
> Since it is a "hackfest", I would also spend some take to look at the state
> of the various modules and write down a todo list of the main current
> limitations, bugs and possible improvements (e.g., new algorithm
> implementations) for each module.  
>
> Cheers,
> Fede
>
>
>
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marcoag
Hi everyone,

I like the idea too, count me in!

Regards,

Marco.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Alexandru-Eugen Ichim <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi guys,


It’s great to see some fresh enthusiasm from the community! Absolutely count me in for the hackathon(s) too.

I agree this would be a great opportunity to sit down together and evaluate some strategies to put new energy into the development of the library.
Also, like Victor mentioned, we should rebuild a recognised team of core developers that will guide the future endeavours.

I think it would be ideal if people that are interested would jump in on this thread. And then we could have longer discussion on the side without spamming the whole list.


Cheers,
Alex


> On 09 Feb 2016, at 20:39, fedassa <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
> I personally think a meet up would be a very useful idea at this time, so
> please count me in. If Lisboa is too far, an alternative could also be
> Munich. In any case, I'd suggest to have a remote conferencing system so
> that people that cannot join physically can still follow the discussions
> remotely.
>
> Btw, I fully agree with what Aurel wrote: if PCL is not solid, then we'd
> jump back to the old chaotic days when several small alternatives for 3D
> perception existed, each based on its own standards, representations and
> application scopes.
>
> Since it is a "hackfest", I would also spend some take to look at the state
> of the various modules and write down a todo list of the main current
> limitations, bugs and possible improvements (e.g., new algorithm
> implementations) for each module.
>
> Cheers,
> Fede
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.pcl-developers.org/PCL-Hackfest-s-tp5710015p5710030.html
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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

Sérgio Agostinho
Hey, 

If Lisboa is too far, an alternative could also be Munich.
In this situation, you would definitely need to be the host, but I'll gladly help in whatever I can. Thanks for providing the option. :)

I think it would be ideal if people that are interested would jump in on this thread. And then we could have longer discussion on the side without spamming the whole list.
I suggest we set up a chat on Sunday evening, just to tune some details like preferable month in the near future. There's still an IRC channel for PCL right?

Cheers


2016-02-10 7:38 GMT+01:00 Marco Antonio Gutierrez <[hidden email]>:
Hi everyone,

I like the idea too, count me in!

Regards,

Marco.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Alexandru-Eugen Ichim <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi guys,


It’s great to see some fresh enthusiasm from the community! Absolutely count me in for the hackathon(s) too.

I agree this would be a great opportunity to sit down together and evaluate some strategies to put new energy into the development of the library.
Also, like Victor mentioned, we should rebuild a recognised team of core developers that will guide the future endeavours.

I think it would be ideal if people that are interested would jump in on this thread. And then we could have longer discussion on the side without spamming the whole list.


Cheers,
Alex


> On 09 Feb 2016, at 20:39, fedassa <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
> I personally think a meet up would be a very useful idea at this time, so
> please count me in. If Lisboa is too far, an alternative could also be
> Munich. In any case, I'd suggest to have a remote conferencing system so
> that people that cannot join physically can still follow the discussions
> remotely.
>
> Btw, I fully agree with what Aurel wrote: if PCL is not solid, then we'd
> jump back to the old chaotic days when several small alternatives for 3D
> perception existed, each based on its own standards, representations and
> application scopes.
>
> Since it is a "hackfest", I would also spend some take to look at the state
> of the various modules and write down a todo list of the main current
> limitations, bugs and possible improvements (e.g., new algorithm
> implementations) for each module.
>
> Cheers,
> Fede
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.pcl-developers.org/PCL-Hackfest-s-tp5710015p5710030.html
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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

Jochen Sprickerhof
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* Sérgio Agostinho <[hidden email]> [2016-02-10 09:57]:
> I suggest we set up a chat on Sunday evening, just to tune some details
> like preferable month in the near future. There's still an IRC channel for
> PCL right?

Yeah, there is #pcl on oftc, feel free to join.
We can discuss on Sunday at 6pm CET.

Cheers Jochen

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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

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Hi,

I'm glad to see this proposal (thanks, Sergio!) and the interest from the community. PCL definitely needs a push and
such an meet-up can be a great opportunity.

I'll be up for a gathering later this year. Lisboa is possible, Munich is better, but ultimately depends on the timeframe.
Anyone going to Stockholm for ICRA by the way?

Anyway, let's start with a virtual discussion this Sunday, as proposed by Jochen.

Cheers,
Sergey
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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

Sérgio Agostinho
Gente reminder, 

Meeting starts in 5 minutes at #pcl on irc.oftc.net 

See you there.
Sérgio

2016-02-11 12:19 GMT+01:00 Sergey <[hidden email]>:
Hi,

I'm glad to see this proposal (thanks, Sergio!) and the interest from the
community. PCL definitely needs a push and
such an meet-up can be a great opportunity.

I'll be up for a gathering later this year. Lisboa is possible, Munich is
better, but ultimately depends on the timeframe.
Anyone going to Stockholm for ICRA by the way?

Anyway, let's start with a virtual discussion this Sunday, as proposed by
Jochen.

Cheers,
Sergey



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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

Matteo Munaro
Hi all,

I could not take part to the IRC discussion, but I like the idea of a Hackfest about PCL and I would like too to be in the loop about the meeting organization. 
Thanks!

Cheers,
Matteo



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Gente reminder, 

Meeting starts in 5 minutes at #pcl on irc.oftc.net 

See you there.
Sérgio

2016-02-11 12:19 GMT+01:00 Sergey <[hidden email]>:
Hi,

I'm glad to see this proposal (thanks, Sergio!) and the interest from the
community. PCL definitely needs a push and
such an meet-up can be a great opportunity.

I'll be up for a gathering later this year. Lisboa is possible, Munich is
better, but ultimately depends on the timeframe.
Anyone going to Stockholm for ICRA by the way?

Anyway, let's start with a virtual discussion this Sunday, as proposed by
Jochen.

Cheers,
Sergey



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Re: PCL Hackfest(s)

Sérgio Agostinho
Hey, 

The current state of affairs is as following: 
- There was a preference in organizing the Hackfest in Munich, with the help of Federico (fedassa). 
- The two likely periods for it to take place is mid-July or post mid September. 
- We were supposed to set up a doodle to pick a weekend within these periods. 

We'll definitely need help, especially in trying to secure some sponsoring, and other PR related things. I just want to have the dates confirmed before digging deep into this. 
There's also the agenda for the hackfest, but I feel we already have some pretty well defined goals to address short term. We can discuss later in private if you wish. 

Cheers
Sérgio

2016-02-19 12:23 GMT+01:00 Matteo Munaro <[hidden email]>:
Hi all,

I could not take part to the IRC discussion, but I like the idea of a Hackfest about PCL and I would like too to be in the loop about the meeting organization. 
Thanks!

Cheers,
Matteo



From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:55:26 +0100
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [PCL-developers] PCL Hackfest(s)

Gente reminder, 

Meeting starts in 5 minutes at #pcl on irc.oftc.net 

See you there.
Sérgio

2016-02-11 12:19 GMT+01:00 Sergey <[hidden email]>:
Hi,

I'm glad to see this proposal (thanks, Sergio!) and the interest from the
community. PCL definitely needs a push and
such an meet-up can be a great opportunity.

I'll be up for a gathering later this year. Lisboa is possible, Munich is
better, but ultimately depends on the timeframe.
Anyone going to Stockholm for ICRA by the way?

Anyway, let's start with a virtual discussion this Sunday, as proposed by
Jochen.

Cheers,
Sergey



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